章节 1：传统教育模式的根本症结

📝 本节摘要：

在本章中，MacKenzie Price 指出了传统教育模式的核心弊病：源自工业革命时期的“一人讲课、众人听讲”模式旨在培养顺从的工厂工人，而非具备批判性思维的现代公民。她详细分析了这种模式的低效性——进度快的学生感到无聊，进度慢的学生跟不上，导致课堂效率极低。此外，她探讨了从幼儿园到高中学生学习热情逐年递减的现象，以及家长因自身经历偏差而对教育创新产生的无意识阻力。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: what's fundamentally broken about the current school model

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 现在的学校模式根本上哪里出了问题？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: oh boy I don't know how long your podcast is but let me tell you the fundamental issue Uh the teacher in front of the classroom model of uh one person trying to educate many kids who are at wildly different levels of understanding uh just fundamentally doesn't work And uh that would be the summary Uh there's a lot of sub points in there Uh I think the other thing that we really want to fundamentally change in our culture is the attitude about school I think people think school is like spinach It's good for you but you kind of just got to got to you know get it through and and do that And what I truly believe is that kids should love school because when kids love school it opens up the possibility it opens up the possibility to do so many incredible things Uh and that's what we're doing at our schools

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 天哪，我不知道你这期播客有多长，但我来告诉你根本的问题。呃，“老师站在教室前面”的模式——也就是一个人试图教育许多理解水平天差地别的孩子——根本就行不通。呃，这就是总结。里面还有很多细分点。呃，我认为我们真正想在文化中根本改变的另一件事是人们对学校的态度。我觉得人们认为学校就像菠菜：它对你有好处，但你只要……你知道，得熬过去，把它吃下去。而我真心相信孩子们应该热爱学校，因为当孩子们热爱学校时，它就开启了可能性，开启了做许多不可思议事情的可能性。呃，这就是我们在我们的学校里所做的事情。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Dig deeper What's wrong with the one person lecturing to 20 30 40

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 深入讲讲。一个人对20、30、40个人讲课有什么问题？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: yeah Well you know if you want to go back in history think a thousand years ago when Socrates was tutoring Plato who tutored Aristotle who tutored Alexander the Great who went on to go uh take over the known world at the age of 22 that tutoring system uh was phenomenal but it was reserved for the very very elite and uh and you know education was not given to the masses You know fast forward uh many years uh to the 1800s with the industrial revolution uh we had to figure out a way to educate the masses How could you get education to as many people as possible but there was also another goal in mind at that point How could you raise up compliant citizens who would listen to instruction and do as they're told so that they could go to work in the factories and and make industry work Um and you know so that system of education a teacher leading a group of students in a classroom you know came out in the 1800s And you think about all of the industry changes across the board except in the area of education And if you went and visited a rural school in India or you went to the most posh boarding school in the east coast you would really see the same thing You would see a teacher leading a group of students uh in a timebased classroom You know the building's nicer in one versus the other but otherwise you know our education system has not changed Uh and we're seeing all of the kind of bad fruit that is coming from that especially in recent years where our world is changing so quickly and we fundamentally need to create a different type of citizen uh that's able to have critical thinking skills is able to develop life skills and you know we're not even in the traditional system developing great academic skills at this point

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 是的。你知道，如果你想回顾历史，想想一千年前，苏格拉底教导柏拉图，柏拉图教导亚里士多德，亚里士多德教导亚历山大大帝，后者在22岁时就征服了已知世界。那种导师制度是非常了不起的，但它是为极少数精英保留的，呃，你知道，教育并没有普及给大众。你知道，快进许多年，呃，到了19世纪的工业革命，呃，我们必须想出一个办法来教育大众。你如何能让尽可能多的人接受教育？但那时还有另一个目标：如何培养出顺从的公民？他们会听从指令，照吩咐办事，这样他们就可以去工厂工作，让工业运转起来。嗯，你知道，所以这种教育体系——一个老师在教室里带领一群学生——是在19世纪出现的。你想想所有行业都发生了翻天覆地的变化，唯独教育领域除外。如果你去印度的一所乡村学校参观，或者去（美国）东海岸最豪华的寄宿学校，你看到的其实是同一回事。你会看到一个老师在基于时间的课堂里带领一群学生。你知道，也许这一边的建筑比那一边的好看，但除此之外，你知道我们的教育体系并没有改变。呃，我们正看到由此产生的所有恶果，尤其是在最近几年，我们的世界变化如此之快，我们根本上需要创造一种不同类型的公民，呃，能够拥有批判性思维技能，能够发展生活技能，而且你知道，我们在传统体系中目前甚至没有培养出很好的学术技能。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Why doesn't the traditional system enable life skills social skills academic skills effectively

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 为什么传统体系不能有效地培养生活技能、社交技能和学术技能？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: well you know one of the things about uh the teacher in front of the classroom model and you know just to be clear Chris I think teachers are heroes You know I it's an impossible job to take you know 15 20 25 kids uh who who show up in a classroom and some of them you know barely know how to read and others you know are are super advanced You know if you think about um a teacher having let's say a group of fifth graders come in and she's got to explain a concept and some of those fifth graders before she's even opened her mouth they already know the concept and they're sitting there just bored to death And after she's explained the concept there's a huge percent of the class that it has gone right over their head They have no idea what's happening And in either case you're forced to just move forward and do that Um and so as a result uh the learning system in a traditional classroom is wildly inefficient Right so kids are spending you know six hours a day and then add homework as kids are getting older starting in like second third grade uh to try to learn in this way It just doesn't work And so these schools uh only have so much time in the day and they're trying to get you know 50 minutes of math and 50 minutes of English and language and social studies and history all of that stuff kind of crammed into a day And what that results in is a bunch of kids who are chained to their desks all day Uh doing academics and again either learning how to play the game and jump through the hoops and study for the tests uh to get the A's on the report cards or they choose to rebel and kind of disengage like "Yeah I'm not playing this."

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，你知道，关于“老师在教室前面”这种模式——必须要澄清一点，Chris，我认为教师是英雄。你知道，这是一份不可能完成的工作：要把15、20、25个孩子聚在教室里，其中一些人可能几乎不识字，而另一些人则非常超前。你知道，如果你想象一下，嗯，一个老师面对一群五年级学生进来，她必须解释一个概念。而其中一些五年级学生在她开口之前就已经知道了这个概念，他们坐在那里简直无聊得要死。而在她解释完概念之后，班上有很大一部分人完全没听懂，这内容直接从他们头顶飞过去了，他们根本不知道发生了什么。无论哪种情况，你都被迫只能继续往前推进。嗯，因此结果就是，呃，传统课堂的学习系统效率极低。对吧，所以孩子们每天花六个小时，如果加上家庭作业——随着孩子们长大，大概从二三年级开始——试图以这种方式学习。这根本行不通。所以这些学校，呃，一天只有这么多时间，他们试图把50分钟的数学、50分钟的英语和语言、社会研究和历史所有这些东西都塞进一天里。结果就是一群孩子整天被拴在课桌上，呃，搞学术。再说一次，他们要么学会了如何“玩这场游戏”，跳过各种圈套，为考试而学习，呃，为了在成绩单上拿到A；要么他们选择反叛，某种程度上脱离参与，就像在说“是啊，我不玩这一套了。”

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: What were you Chris were you a Did you know how to play the game or were you a rebel

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 你以前是什么样的，Chris？你是一个……你知道怎么玩这场游戏吗，还是你是个叛逆者？

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: oh I was a good boy I was very

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 哦，我是个好孩子，我非常……

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: You were a good boy All right Classic only child syndrome Yeah Well I was a great student as well but I will tell you one thing about me I hated school growing up I was always that kid who would sit the classroom and I'd like raise my hand I'd be like I'm sorry why do I need to know this like why is this something I'm having to spend my time learning um and so I think that's always an interesting combination of like I was motivated to do well in school because I really wanted to go to this great college Uh but I didn't enjoy the experience Uh and I remember when I graduated I was so excited to finally be done with school um and have that be over Um and you know I do think that there are you know the thing about the traditional education system it does do a good job of training kids to be compliant do as they're told And you know that's kind of what it is But you know let's think about the motivation problem I'll tell you what Chris fundamentally there's two things that are required for a student to be able to learn well The first is they have to have the right level and pace of instruction that meets them where they're at Right but that's only about 10% of what creates a great learner 90% of what creates a great learner is they have to be motivated They have to have a motivation to do that

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 你是个好孩子。好吧，典型的独生子女综合征。是啊，我也是个好学生，但我可以告诉你关于我的一件事：我从小就讨厌上学。我总是那种坐在教室里，然后举手问：“抱歉，我为什么要学这个？比如为什么我要花时间学这个？”嗯，所以我认为这总是一种有趣的组合，比如我有动力在学校表现好，因为我真的很想上那所很棒的大学，呃，但我并不享受这个过程。呃，我记得当我毕业时，我是多么兴奋终于完成了学业，嗯，让那一切都结束了。嗯，你知道，我确实认为，你知道，传统教育体系确实在训练孩子顺从、照吩咐办事方面做得很好。你知道那就是它的本质。但是，你知道，让我们想想动力问题。我告诉你，Chris，根本上讲，一个学生要学好需要两件事。第一是他们必须获得适合他们当前水平和节奏的指导，在他们所处的水平上满足他们。对吧，但这只构成了造就一个优秀学习者的10%。造就一个优秀学习者的90%在于他们必须有动力。他们必须有动力去学。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And you know you think about the motivation structure that we give to kids in traditional world is we take a kindergartener and we say all right little buddy you know at age five you are going to uh go to school each day for about seven hours a day 5 days a week nine months a year You are going to learn how to sit still You're going to learn how to raise your hand how to ask permission to go to the restroom Uh you know how to uh listen to your instructions uh you're going to within a couple years start also doing work at home at night You're going to do this for 13 years And if you are really good at grinding it out if you're a good little boy or a good little girl like I was right if you're really good at grinding it out you might get to go grind it out for four more years at university right isn't that true that is our motivation structure uh right now And um and you know I can't even necessarily get excited about something that's way down the road You know imagine these these five or six year olds uh you know doing this and then it just kind of goes In fact you know they've done research that shows the highest level of enthusiasm between kindergarten and 12th grade Can you guess what year students have the most enthusiasm at the end when they think they're about to finish

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 你知道，想想我们在传统世界里给孩子的动力结构：我们抓一个幼儿园小孩，然后说，好吧小伙计，你知道五岁的时候，你要去上学，每天大约七个小时，每周五天，每年九个月。你要学会如何坐着不动。你要学会如何举手，如何请求许可去洗手间。呃，你知道如何呃听从指令，呃，几年之内你还要开始在晚上把工作带回家做。你要这样做13年。如果你非常擅长苦熬（grinding it out），如果你像我一样是个好男孩或好女孩，对吧，如果你真的很擅长苦熬，你可能还有机会去大学再苦熬四年。对吧，这不是真的吗？这就是我们现在的动力结构。嗯，而且你知道，我甚至不一定能对那么遥远的事情感到兴奋。你知道，想象这些五六岁的孩子，呃，你知道在做这些，然后就这样继续。事实上，你知道他们做过研究，显示了从幼儿园到12年级之间最高的热情水平。你能猜出学生在哪一年热情最高吗？（Chris插话：在最后，当他们觉得快要结束的时候？）

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: That is close It's actually the second highest Uh the highest level of enthusiasm is in kindergarten Uh because kids show up and they're excited and curious and ex and interested in learning Kids are little sponges right and then what happens is every year that enthusiasm goes down down down until their junior year of high school when they finally start to see the light at the end of the tunnel and they're like "Oh my gosh I'm almost out of here." Right and you just think about what a sad state of affairs that is You know how kids are are kind of you know just hanging out And so you know fundamentally we have a motivation problem Um and that's one of the things we're out we're out to change

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 那很接近了，那其实是第二高的。呃，最高的热情水平是在幼儿园。呃，因为孩子们来了，他们很兴奋、好奇，呃，对学习感兴趣。孩子们就像小海绵，对吧？然后发生的事情是，每一年那种热情都在下降、下降、下降，直到他们的高中三年级，那时他们终于开始看到隧道尽头的光亮，他们就像是“天哪，我快要离开这里了。”对吧，你只要想想那是一种多么悲哀的状况。你知道孩子们有点像是在那里干耗着。所以你知道，根本上我们有一个动力问题。嗯，这就是我们要去改变的事情之一。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Why do you think the education system has remained so resistant to innovation even after co uh well you know co did a really good job of exposing just how sad of a state our education system is um but we are so entrenched in the way things were

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 为什么你认为教育体系对创新如此抗拒？即使在新冠疫情之后……呃，你知道，新冠疫情确实很好地暴露了我们的教育体系状况有多么可悲，嗯，但我们还是固守旧习。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: and the thing that's interesting about education is pretty much everybody had our own personal experience with being educated right like we knew what it was like to go to kindergarten and and you go to school and and do all the things go to football games do all the things And I think parents often kind of look back on their journey And when it's time to educate their own kids they're kind of like well my kids should be educated the way I was educated right that's why you see people are like I went to Catholic school my kids going to Catholic school I went to private school or I went to public school I did that I was the same way I was a public school kid My husband was And when it was time for our girls to go to school we put them on the bus and said you know go to the local public school So we have this idea And the other thing that I think happens is we often will have a little bit of a mismemory of what our experience was like because we'll be like well I turned out fine right i turned out well and I got my best friends from high school You know I just did a girl trip with my best friends from high school a couple months ago Like I have great memories from high school Um but we kind of start to forget about you know the average day-to-day thing

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 关于教育有一件有趣的事，就是几乎每个人都有自己受教育的亲身经历，对吧？比如我们知道上幼儿园是什么样的，去上学，做所有那些事，去看橄榄球比赛，做所有那些事。而且我认为父母通常会回顾他们的旅程。当轮到教育他们自己的孩子时，他们会有种想法：嗯，我的孩子应该像我受教育那样受教育，对吧？这就是为什么你看到人们说“我上了天主教学校，我的孩子也要上天主教学校”；“我上了私立学校”或者“我上了公立学校”。我也是那样。我是个公立学校的孩子，我丈夫也是。当轮到我们的女儿上学时，我们把她们送上校车，说：“你知道，去当地的公立学校吧。”所以我们有这种观念。我认为发生的另一件事是，我们通常会对我们的经历产生一点错误的记忆，因为我们会觉得“嗯，我最后也挺好的嘛”，对吧，“我结果不错，我在高中交到了最好的朋友”。你知道，几个月前我和我高中最好的朋友们进行了一次闺蜜旅行。比如我对高中有美好的回忆。嗯，但我们有点开始忘记那些平庸的日常琐事了。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: How do most kids feel about normal school is this something that we know because I I you know anecdotally I have friends who have been teachers in the US who have got kids that are going to school in the US and they're quite concerned Teachers are saying you know we're very hamstrung It feels very restrictive I saw some study that came out of Illinois that was looking at levels of literacy and numeracy Um and some absurd level of high schoolers couldn't do math There was one school that was $30,000 per student per year was the budget that they had And I don't think any students were able to do math at this level So what like what's the the headlines when it comes to

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 大多数孩子对普通学校感觉如何？这是我们知道的数据吗？因为我，我，你知道，从轶事来说，我有在美国当老师的朋友，或者有孩子在美国上学的朋友，他们都很担忧。老师们说，你知道，“我们束手束脚，感觉非常受限”。我看到伊利诺伊州出的一项研究，调查读写和计算能力的水平。嗯，有些荒谬比例的高中生不会做数学。有一所学校每年的预算是每个学生3万美元，但我认为没有一个学生能达到那个数学水平。那么，关于这个有什么……主要结论是什么？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Well I mean here's here's the state of affairs Uh a third of students can do math or reading at grade level right so it's an incredibly low amount And guess what that got even wider as a result of COVID right there was such a big difference you know during the the COVID experience So academically we're in a terrible state In fact uh a high school senior who graduates in the 50th percentile you know your average high school senior they know the same amount of math as a third grader who's in the 99th percentile So when you think about that half of our students in in you know the country that we graduate don't know as much math as a 99th percentile third grader It's absolutely crazy In fact you know you think about inequality in the world and you think about in in the United States uh the inequality between like a 50th percentile uh kid versus a kid in the 99th percentile when it comes to education you know math reading it is a huge difference In fact for kids that are just average kids you could really look at four years of high school as basically a waste of time for them They barely improve at all

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，我的意思是，这就是现状：只有三分之一的学生能在达到年级水平上进行数学或阅读，对吧，所以这个比例低得令人难以置信。而且你猜怎么着，由于新冠疫情，这个差距变得更大了，对吧，你知道在新冠期间这种差异非常大。所以在学术上，我们处于一种糟糕的状态。事实上，呃，一个在第50百分位毕业的高中生——你知道，就是你的普通高中毕业生——他们掌握的数学知识量和一个在第99百分位的三年级学生一样多。所以当你想到这一点，我们国家有一半即将毕业的学生，还没一个第99百分位的三年级学生懂的数学多，这绝对是疯了。事实上，你知道，考虑到世界上的不平等，考虑到在美国，呃，一个第50百分位的孩子和一个第99百分位的孩子之间在教育方面——你知道，数学、阅读——的不平等，那是巨大的差异。事实上，对于那些只是普通水平的孩子来说，你真的可以将四年的高中视为基本上是在浪费时间。他们几乎没有任何进步。

章节 2：学习动力危机与“积木塔”效应

📝 本节摘要：

在本章中，MacKenzie Price 用生动的“积木塔（Jenga）”比喻来解释为什么学生会随着年级升高而学业崩溃：基础概念（积木块）的缺失导致后续复杂的知识结构无法支撑，这就是所谓的“数学悬崖”。对话随后转向教师面临的困境——他们被期望同时扮演行政、HR、心理辅导员等多重角色，要在短时间内填补学生累积多年的知识漏洞。Chris 将教师比作“教室的创始人”，必须处理无数琐事，而 MacKenzie 则形象地将其描述为“拿着有漏洞的桶去舀干海水”。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And now part of the reason Yeah Well I can tell you the reason why Um you know I like to think about like uh playing the game of Jenga Have you ever played Jenga

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 现在的部分原因……是的，我可以告诉你原因所在。嗯，你知道，我喜欢把它比作玩叠叠乐（Jenga）。你玩过叠叠乐吗？

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: i have

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 我玩过。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Okay So you're building a tower right you go to kindergarten and you start learning you know that 1 plus 1 is two and four plus four is eight and you know how to say your you know spell your words and and start reading right um but as you're getting information you're basically b uh you know creating this this Jenga tower and as if you don't understand a concept that's like taking a little wood block out of your foundation So as you go up and pretty soon you go from addition to subtraction to multiplication to division to fractions to pre-alggebra to algebra to you know calculus If you don't have a strong foundation in some of your more basic concepts it's really hard to understand those more sophisticated concepts That's why a lot of people will you know fall off of what I call the math cliff Like I was a victim of it You know in about nth grade I started getting into more advanced math classes and I was like I have no idea what I'm doing I don't understand this Well the reason is because I didn't really have that strong mastery based foundation of some of the lower level concepts that we needed And so it's really impossible to kind of you know learn uh based on that So the problem exacerbates as time goes on

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 好，所以你在搭建一座塔，对吧？你去上幼儿园，开始学习，比如1加1等于2，4加4等于8，你知道怎么拼写单词，开始阅读，对吧？嗯，但是当你获取信息时，你基本上是在……呃，你知道，在建造这座叠叠乐塔。如果你不理解某个概念，就像是从你的地基里抽走了一块小积木。所以当你往上盖，很快你从加法到减法，到乘法，到除法，到分数，到代数预科，到代数，再到微积分。如果你在一些更基础的概念上没有打下坚实的基础，真的很难理解那些更复杂的概念。这就是为什么很多人会掉下我所谓的“数学悬崖”。我自己就是受害者。你知道，大概在九年级的时候，我开始接触更高级的数学课，我就觉得：我完全不知道我在做什么，我不懂这个。嗯，原因是因为我并没有真正通过“掌握式学习”打下我们需要的一些低层级概念的坚实基础。所以，以此为基础去学习几乎是不可能的。所以随着时间推移，问题会恶化。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And then you think about these poor teachers who get kids delivered into their classrooms who are missing knowledge from the year before two years before three years before and yet they're expected to take a kid and get them through you know a sixth grade curriculum between September and May uh and do that for you know 20 plus kids right it just can't be done And and that's part of the reason we're seeing teachers leaving the industry in droves right they're underpaid They're overworked They're underappreciated They're trying to deal with all of this stuff lesson planning and lecturing and grading papers and homework and dealing with parents uh you know all these kinds of things It's a really thankless job And so you know it is a sad state of affairs We're not getting the results that that that people want to see academically Uh and teachers aren't happy And the other thing that's really changed too is teachers are leaving We're not getting new people coming in And the people that are coming into traditional education tend to be in the bottom 25% of you know their graduating classes you know in in college And so we're not attracting the people that are going to make that difference And you know one of the things I'm a huge believer in is we've got to make teaching a noble profession again uh because anybody who says I want to dedicate my time to you know impacting young people those people should be honored and revered right and it's it's a it's a tough state And so you know that's been the issue But you think about we're having to educate you know a billion kids How do you do that how do you change this fundamentally and you know that's what I'm I'm tackling now each day

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 然后你想想那些可怜的老师，送到他们教室里的孩子缺失了一年前、两年前甚至三年前的知识，然而他们却被期望要在九月到五月之间，带着这些孩子完成六年级的课程，而且还要对20多个孩子这样做，对吧？这根本做不到。这就是我们看到老师们成群结队离开这个行业的部分原因。对吧，他们薪水低，工作过度，不被赏识。他们试图应对所有这些事情：备课、讲课、批改试卷和作业、应付家长，呃，你知道所有这类事情。这是一份非常吃力不讨好的工作。所以你知道，这是一种可悲的状况。我们在学术上没有得到人们想看到的结果，呃，老师们也不开心。另一件真正改变的事情是，老师们正在离开，而我们要不到新人进来。那些进入传统教育行业的人往往是大学毕业生中排名后25%的人。所以我们没有吸引到那些能带来改变的人才。你知道，我坚信的一点是，我们必须让教师再次成为一个崇高的职业，呃，因为任何说“我想奉献我的时间去影响年轻人”的人，都应该受到尊敬和崇拜，对吧？但这现状很艰难。所以你知道，这就是问题所在。但你想想，我们必须教育十亿个孩子。你要怎么做？你如何根本性地改变这一切？你知道，这就是我现在每天在解决的问题。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: It is interesting to think about the role of the teacher as more like the founder of a classroom who has to do the accounts and the HR and the marketing and the operations and the hiring and the firing and the you know they do do all of these things You got to liaz with little Timmy's parents cuz little Timmy's been acting up but I need to do the lesson plan for tomorrow My my ex was a a primary school teacher and she taught all different she taught in Dubai she taught in the UK and uh the even three-year-olds the amount of shit that you need to do for a class of three-year-olds is unbelievable They've got homework They're taking homework home They got like tasks they've got to do Oh there's this intervention You know I I one of the kids has come in with a bruise on his arm and I I've got to report it to whatever escalated to this thing I'm worried about what's going on at home but I've got to keep sort of one eye is like a chameleon I got one eye looking at the classroom and the other eye looking at little Timmy's arm or whatever it is It's I It's a real uh sub-optimal environment for someone who is supposed to be there trying to just teach things

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 把老师的角色想象成更像是“教室的创始人”，这很有趣：他必须做会计、人力资源、市场营销、运营、招聘和解雇，你知道，他们确实做了所有这些事情。你得和小Timmy的父母联络，因为小Timmy最近表现不好，但我还得准备明天的教案。我……我的前任是一名小学老师，她教过各种不同的学生，她在迪拜教过书，也在英国教过书。呃，甚至是对三岁的孩子，你需要为一个三岁孩子的班级做的琐事多得令人难以置信。他们有家庭作业，他们把作业带回家，他们有必须要完成的任务。哦，还有这种干预措施。你知道，我……其中一个孩子进来时手臂上有淤青，我就得向相关部门报告，升级处理这件事。我担心家里发生了什么，但我还得保持一种……一只眼睛像变色龙一样，一只眼睛盯着教室，另一只眼睛盯着小Timmy的手臂或者别的什么。这……对于一个本该在那里只是试图教书的人来说，这是一个非常、呃，次优的环境。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Yeah I mean teachers have been given a bucket with holes in it and told to empty the ocean and it it just it that traditional way doesn't work And uh that's why you know it's time to reinvent and reimagine education

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 是的。我的意思是，老师们被给了一个有漏洞的桶，然后被告知去舀干海水。这……这……那种传统方式根本行不通。呃，这就是为什么，你知道，是时候重新发明和重新构想教育了。

章节 3：Alpha School 模式：AI 赋能的两小时学业

📝 本节摘要：

本章揭示了 Alpha School 的核心运作机制：利用人工智能实现“掌握式学习”（Mastery Learning）。MacKenzie 引用斯坦福和哈佛的研究指出，一对一辅导的学习效率是传统课堂的数倍，而 AI 技术终于让这种精英教育模式得以普及。通过 AI 的精准测量和个性化路径，学生每天仅需 2 小时即可高效完成核心学业。本章还详细介绍了学校的早间流程：从激发能量的“无限启动（Limitless Launch）”环节，到利用“番茄工作法”进行的自适应学科学习，彻底颠覆了传统的按年龄分班和填鸭式教学。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: I will say we're seeing you know kids are leaving the public schools like crazy right and homeschooling has become uh a more common thing and one thing that homeschoolers have known for a long time is it doesn't take all day to educate your kids because they are mimicking or actually providing that one-to-one tutoring experience Right And you know universities like Stanford and Harvard and Oxford you know have done research for 40 years since I was in elementary school that says a kid can learn two five 10 times faster uh when they're in a onetoone masterybased learning environment All of those learning science papers start or end with the same thing which is unfortunately these results are not possible in a traditional classroom And that's what's so cool about you know what we're doing which is uh artificial intelligence is finally enabling us to provide that precise measurement tool that allows us to give every single kid that onetoone mastery tutoring experience and as a result kids can crush their academics and they can do it in a fraction of their t of the time So you know at our schools our classes are performing in the top 1% in the country and we're doing it in only 2 hours a day

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我得说，你知道我们看到孩子们正在疯狂地离开公立学校，对吧？在家自学（homeschooling）变得越来越普遍。在家自学的人很久以前就知道的一件事是：教育孩子并不需要花上一整天，因为他们是在模仿或实际提供那种一对一的辅导体验。对吧？你知道，像斯坦福、哈佛和牛津这样的大学，从我上小学时起就进行了长达40年的研究，表明当孩子处于一对一的“掌握式学习”环境中时，学习速度可以快2倍、5倍甚至10倍。所有这些学习科学论文的开头或结尾都说着同样的话：“不幸的是，这些结果在传统课堂中是不可能实现的。”而这就是我们正在做的事情的酷炫之处：人工智能终于使我们能够提供那种精准的测量工具，让我们能给每一个孩子提供那种一对一的掌握式辅导体验。结果就是，孩子们可以极其出色地完成学业，而且只用一小部分时间就能搞定。所以，你知道在我们的学校，我们班级的表现处于全国前1%的水平，而我们每天只花2小时就做到了。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And then here's the other key that I really truly believe is that kids thrive when they're in an environment where they have high standards and they have high support And what's really cool about using artificial intelligence and technology is that it allows us to increase human intelligence both from an academic perspective for a kid but also by transforming the role of the teacher in the classroom So that instead of having to try and figure out how they're going to you know finish this herculan task that we talked about earlier instead their job becomes focused around motivational and emotional support and mentorship and holding kids to high standards while also connecting with these kids

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 然后这就是我真心相信的另一个关键点：当孩子们处于一个既有高标准又有高支持的环境中时，他们会茁壮成长。使用人工智能和技术的真正酷炫之处在于，它不仅能从学术角度提升孩子的人类智能，还能通过转变课堂中教师的角色来实现这一点。这样一来，老师们不再需要试图弄清楚如何完成我们之前谈到的那种“大力神海格力斯式”的艰巨任务，相反，他们的工作重心变成了激励、情感支持和指导，在让孩子们保持高标准的同时，也与这些孩子建立连接。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Two hours a day on academics What's that look like what what's the platform that they're using what is the level of engagement what's the oversight like take me through that

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 每天两小时搞学术。那是什么样子的？他们用的是什么平台？参与度如何？监管是怎样的？带我了解一下。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Absolutely Uh we'll do So you know the schools that we run uh are full-time in-person schools Uh so kids show up uh you know 8:45 in the morning Uh they always start out in a group activity together Uh we call it a Limitless launch Think Tony Robbins for kids right this is a time when kids get together they get excited they usually do some sort of a physical challenge that maybe almost seems impossible gets their blood going gets them moving and then we incorporate some sort of a growth mindset strategy that's going to help them when they go into the next part of their day So at 9:00 a.m uh our students sit down at their computers um and they start working on their core academics Uh we practice something called Pomodoro technique where our kids will go in and spend 25 minutes on math 25 minutes on reading 25 minutes on language 25 minutes on science uh a 20-minute block at the end for whichever subject they want to spend some more time on Uh and they get breaks in between

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 没问题，我会讲的。你知道我们经营的学校是全日制线下学校。所以孩子们在早上8:45到校。他们总是以集体活动开始。我们称之为“无限启动（Limitless Launch）”。把它想象成给孩子看的托尼·罗宾斯（Tony Robbins，潜能激励大师）现场，对吧？这是孩子们聚在一起的时间，他们变得很兴奋，通常会做某种甚至看起来几乎不可能的身体挑战，让他们热血沸腾，动起来。然后我们会融入某种成长型思维策略，这将有助于他们进入一天的下一个阶段。所以在上午9:00，学生们坐在电脑前，开始学习核心学术课程。我们实行一种叫“番茄工作法（Pomodoro technique）”的时间管理技巧，孩子们会进去花25分钟学数学，25分钟学阅读，25分钟学语言，25分钟学科学，最后还有20分钟的时间块，用于他们想多花点时间的任何科目。中间会有休息时间。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Uh and what you'll see if you walk into one of our classrooms is you'll see groups of kids um in similar age right you can have two seven-year-olds sitting right next to each other but one seven-year-old might be working on algebra while the other seven-year-old is working on their multiplication table right you can have personalized learning for every single student and they're hanging out You're not having to send the kid up to you know the classroom three grades higher just because they're advanced or pull a kid out who needs remedial help you know on this They're able to be in the classroom Uh one of the things I love when you'll have to come visit our school sometime but I love going into one of our classrooms especially like our kindergarten first grade classroom because invariably what you'll see is there'll be one kid kind of sitting over in a corner and he's got his feet perched up He's like laying on his back He's got his his laptop kind of upside down But what that shows is that kid knows how to get his work done and hit his academic goals And he's earned that kind of like more autonomy because you know what not every kid does well just sitting in a desk you know being told sit straight up and do this

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，如果你走进我们的教室，你会看到一群年龄相仿的孩子。你可以看到两个七岁的孩子紧挨着坐，但一个七岁孩子可能正在做代数，而另一个七岁孩子正在背乘法表。对吧？你可以为每一个学生提供个性化学习，而且他们还能在一起玩。你不需要因为某个孩子超前了就把他送到高三个年级的教室去，或者把需要辅导的孩子拉出来。他们可以待在同一个教室里。我最喜欢的一件事——你以后一定要来参观我们的学校——但我很喜欢走进我们的教室，尤其是像幼儿园或一年级的教室，因为你总是会看到有一个孩子坐在角落里，把脚翘起来，仰面躺着，笔记本电脑甚至倒着放。但这表明那个孩子知道如何完成他的工作并达成学术目标。他赢得了那种……更多的自主权，因为你知道吗，不是每个孩子都适合规规矩矩坐在课桌前，被人告诉要“坐直了做事”。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And so our kids basically get uh breaks throughout that morning And then by lunchtime they're done with their academics for the day So they put their computers away Uh they get a ton of just like unstructured outdoor play time which by the way school should have Did you know that the average amount of recess per day in schools in the US can you guess how many minutes they get no How much 22 minutes a day 22 minutes of of recess Um when you think about what kids like about school you know usually you'll get the same kind of few comments when you say "Do you like school what do you like about it?" They'll say "Recess PE lunch and my friends." Right that's kind of all of the things that aren't to do with the classroom

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 所以我们的孩子基本上在整个上午都有休息时间。然后到了午餐时间，他们这一天的学术任务就完成了。所以他们把电脑收起来。他们有大量的非结构化户外游戏时间——顺便说一句，学校本该如此。你知道美国学校每天平均的课间休息时间是多少吗？你能猜到有多少分钟吗？（Chris：不知道，多少？）每天22分钟。只有22分钟的课间休息。当你思考孩子们喜欢学校什么时，你知道通常你会得到同样的几个回答，当你问“你喜欢学校吗？你喜欢它的什么？”他们会说：“课间休息、体育课、午餐和我的朋友。”对吧，这些基本上都是与课堂无关的事情。

章节 4：重塑下午时光：生活技能与实战项目

📝 本节摘要：

既然核心学业在每天两小时内即可完成，剩下的时间做什么？MacKenzie Price 在本章中详细阐述了 Alpha School 对“下午时光”的重塑。她指出，学校不仅是托儿所，更应是释放孩子潜能的场所。下午的时间被完全用于培养生活技能（Life Skills），如创业、金融素养、演讲和团队合作。她通过生动的案例——如“荒野演讲（Public Speaking in the Wild）”工作坊，让孩子们对着猫和养老院的老人练习演讲，最终登上纽约的开放麦舞台——展示了如何让孩子从被动的消费者转变为主动的创造者。数据表明，这种模式下有60%的学生甚至表示“宁愿上学也不愿去度假”。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: The natural question that comes from there is well what do you do with the rest of the day right if it only takes a couple hours what do you do with the rest of the day

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 随之而来的自然问题是：好吧，那这一天剩下的时间你们做什么？对吧，如果（学业）只需要几个小时，那剩下的时间做什么？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: and I can tell you one thing Chris that parents don't want is they don't want their kids to come home after 2 hours Right You mean you don't want them back at half past 11 in the morning exactly It's like hey you got to go to school all day And really school is a bundle right it is a daycare It's a socialization environment Uh there you know it's it's a place where they're doing all kinds of different activities you know after school It's a community anchor right and so you have that So that's where I looked at this you know back in 2014 when we we decided to take our kids out of school and start a new school You know I really thought about this Okay if kids are limitless then it is a school's job to build an environment that unlocks their potential right that unlocks what they're capable of doing And so okay great So how are we going to reimagine school well if you can provide a one-to-one tutoring experience which is made possible through technology then you can crush academics you know in a fraction of the time What are we going to do with the afternoon well let's give kids the skills that they need life skills Let's teach them entrepreneurship and financial literacy leadership and teamwork uh public speaking and storytelling uh giving and receiving feedback dealing with failure uh you know all of those kinds of communication things socialization all of those skills We can actually do that during the day in that time which are often skills that kids are trying to learn in maybe sports or afterchool activities But instead we can create the school day where kids can get their academics not just done but do it really well

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我可以告诉你一件事，Chris，那是家长们绝对不想要的，就是他们不希望孩子在两小时后就回家。对吧？（Chris：你的意思是你不希望他们在上午11点半就回来？）没错。这就像是，嘿，你得整天待在学校里。说真的，学校是一个“打包服务”，对吧？它是托儿所，它是社交环境。呃，你知道，它是孩子们在放学后做各种不同活动的地方。它是社区的锚点，对吧，所以你有这些功能。所以这就是我在2014年当我们决定让孩子退学并创办一所新学校时所思考的角度。你知道，我真的思考过这个问题：好吧，如果孩子是无限的（limitless），那么学校的职责就是建立一个能释放他们潜能的环境，对吧，释放他们能做的事情。所以，好吧，太棒了。那么我们要如何重新构想学校？好吧，如果你能提供通过技术实现的一对一辅导体验，那么你就能用一小部分时间搞定学业。那我们在下午要做什么？好吧，让我们给孩子们他们需要的技能——生活技能。让我们教他们创业精神和金融素养、领导力和团队合作、呃、公共演讲和讲故事、呃、给予和接受反馈、应对失败、呃，你知道所有那些沟通类的事情、社交化、所有那些技能。我们要其实可以在白天的这段时间里做这些，而这些通常是孩子们试图在体育运动或课后活动中学习的技能。相反，我们可以创造这样一个在校日：孩子们不仅能完成学业，而且能完成得非常好。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: That aren't to do with the classroom like you you have that and so it's like okay how about in this world these kids are getting 90 minutes of day of unstructured like recess time uh which is good and then in the afternoon that's when things get really exciting around our schools Uh kids are learning life skills through these project-based really collaborative kind of team oriented workshops Uh so that's everything from our kindergarteners who are you know completing a fivemile bike race as a team or climbing a 40- foot rock wall to our second graders who are you know building a business together that raises $5,000 for a charity Uh to our fifth and sixth graders who ran a food truck uh in Austin this year and made over $4,000 of profit from that uh you know to our middle school students who are able to uh do history uh trivia workshops and combine it with weightlifting to increase their bench press you know over a six week period right and so there's always some sort of a physical workshop activity that kids are doing There's something that might have to do with coding or art or music that they're creating something and they're using tools

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 那些与（传统）课堂无关的事情……就像你拥有的那样，所以就像是，好吧，在这个世界里，这些孩子每天有90分钟非结构化的、类似课间休息的时间，呃，这很好。然后在下午，那是我们学校真正变得令人兴奋的时候。呃，孩子们通过这些基于项目的、真正协作的、团队导向的“工作坊（workshops）”来学习生活技能。呃，所以这涵盖了所有事情：从我们的幼儿园孩子作为一个团队完成五英里自行车赛或攀登40英尺的攀岩墙；到我们的二年级学生，你知道，一起建立一个企业，为慈善机构筹集了5000美元；呃，到我们的五六年级学生，今年在奥斯汀经营了一辆食品卡车，并从中赚取了超过4000美元的利润；呃，你知道，到我们的初中生，他们能够呃做历史冷知识工作坊，并将其与举重结合起来，在六周内增加他们的卧推重量，对吧？所以总是有某种孩子们正在做的身体类工作坊活动。还有一些可能与编程、艺术或音乐有关，他们在创造某些东西，并在使用工具。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: We love the idea of kids getting out and doing storytelling I'll tell you one of my favorite workshops So I personally I love getting in front of an audience I like talking to people And you know public speaking is like most adults number one fear right they absolutely hate it Well here's what we do with our kids We take our our fifth graders for example Uh we did a workshop called public speaking in the wild and what we tked them with was come up with like a compelling 7 to 10 minute narrative uh you know that has an emotional appeal And so they write out their speeches So they're getting writing experience on that Then uh we have them uh get feedback from an AI tool on how they can make their talk you know more compelling and engaging Uh we give them AI tools that help them practice in a really unintimidating way It's just them with this AI tool that says you know here's how your intonation could get better Here are the number of filler words that you're using Here's how you could change the structure Then we take the kids to the humane society and they gave their talks in front of cats Uh because you know what cats are like a pretty unintimidating audience right it's kind of a fun way to practice your talk

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我们喜欢让孩子们走出去讲故事的想法。我告诉你一个我最喜欢的工作坊。我个人很喜欢在观众面前表现，我喜欢和人说话。你知道公共演讲就像是大多数成年人的头号恐惧，对吧，他们绝对讨厌它。好吧，我们是这样对孩子们的。以我们的五年级学生为例。呃，我们做了一个叫“荒野演讲（Public Speaking in the Wild）”的工作坊，我们给他们的任务是想出一个引人入胜的7到10分钟的叙事，呃，你知道，要有情感感染力。所以他们把演讲稿写出来。这样他们就获得了写作经验。然后，呃，我们让他们呃从AI工具那里获得反馈，关于如何让他们的演讲，你知道，更引人入胜和吸引人。呃，我们给他们AI工具，帮助他们以一种非常不具威胁性的方式练习。只有他们和这个AI工具，它会说，你知道，你的语调可以在这方面改进，这是你使用的填充词数量，这是你可以如何改变结构。然后我们带孩子们去动物保护协会（humane society），他们在猫面前发表演讲。呃，因为你知道吗，猫算是一个相当不具威胁性的听众，对吧？这是一种有趣的练习演讲的方式。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: After that they went to an assisted living facility and they gave their talk to some old people there Uh are you saying that old people are one level of intimidation above cats i would say so You know what's actually interesting about that there's another life skill that the kids learn when they are at the assisted living facility which is how to redirect because a lot of people be like they'll they'll start asking them other questions or telling a story or whatever And you know so these kids are getting out in the community They're getting to talk to you know people in multiple generations above them They're getting to share and provide entertainment Uh then we took them to our local book people bookstore and they did an open story time and they got to practice there And ultimately uh our kids ended up flying to New York City and they did an open mic night with a bunch of strangers right so you can take a kid who maybe is a little nervous about getting up in front of an audience and you stairstep their progress and make it fun right it's exciting Now I will say I did have some parents call and complain because they said "My kids were begging me to adopt a cat and we do not want to adopt a cat." But hey there's worse things that could happen right from that

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 在那之后，他们去了一家养老院（assisted living facility），对着那里的一些老人们发表演讲。呃（Chris插话：你是说老人的威慑力比猫高一级吗？）我会这么说。你知道其实这很有趣，孩子们在养老院时还学到了另一种生活技能，那就是如何“转移话题（redirect）”，因为很多人会……他们会开始问孩子们别的问题，或者讲个故事什么的。你知道，所以这些孩子们走进了社区。他们得以和，你知道，比他们大好几代的人交谈。他们得以分享并提供娱乐。呃，然后我们带他们去当地的“Book People”书店，他们做了一个公开故事时间，在那里练习。最终，呃，我们的孩子们飞到了纽约市，在一群陌生人面前做了一个“开放麦之夜（open mic night）”。对吧，所以你可以带一个可能对在观众面前站起来有点紧张的孩子，你通过阶梯式的方式推进他们的进步，并让它变得有趣，对吧？这很令人兴奋。不过我得说，我确实接到了一些家长的电话抱怨，因为他们说：“我的孩子求我领养一只猫，但我们不想领养猫。”但是，嘿，这总比发生更糟糕的事情要好，对吧？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Um and so there's just so much uh you know creativity that can go into uh teaching life skills in a way that kids love And you know fundamentally um you know that's what I believe is when kids love school you get to do all these cool things And we take that very seriously In fact we survey our students every six weeks and we ask would you rather go to or you know do you like school 95% of our students say they love school but we actually even take it further uh will say "Would you rather go to school or go on vacation?" Did you ever want to go on go to school more than vacation growing up you were a good boy No No I don't think so I certainly didn't Well guess what we get about 60% of our students will say they'd rather go to school than go on vacation And in fact we had a totally crazy thing happen uh this year uh in the spring of 2025 Our high school students came to us and they said "Hey we want to keep school open this summer because we want to keep working on our projects and we've got stuff to do." Uh so their teachers we call them guides and teachers looked at each other and like "Okay I guess we're like going to coordinate our vacation schedules." So if you go to Austin Texas this summer you will see uh like a thriving campus with kids that are there They they want to hang out with their friends and work on these projects that they're doing uh you know during the day And that's the kind of thing school should be right because when kids are excited about showing up and they've got a fire in their belly then you know so much more is possible you know So we do that and and again the other thing that kind of makes all of this work Obviously you know getting personalized learning is is really awesome and there's so many cool things that AI is enabling you know you can take not just the knowledge graph and understand exactly what a kid knows and doesn't know but you can overlay it with their interest graph So you can suddenly take that kid who's learning math and combine it with their interest in fashion design or baseball right you can do that That's a great thing that they can do Um but when you have our teachers who are supporting these kids and holding them to high standards and helping them go do big things they get so excited

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，所以你知道，在以孩子们喜欢的方式教授生活技能方面，可以投入如此多的、呃、创造力。而且你知道，从根本上讲，嗯，你知道这就是我相信的：当孩子们热爱学校时，你就能做所有这些很酷的事情。我们非常认真地对待这一点。事实上，我们每六周调查一次我们的学生，我们会问“你更愿意去……或者你知道，你喜欢学校吗？”95%的学生说他们热爱学校。但我们实际上甚至更进一步，呃，我们会问：“你更愿意去上学还是去度假？”你在成长过程中有没有想去上学多过去度假？你是个好孩子。（Chris：不，不，我不这么认为。我肯定没有。）好吧，你猜怎么着，我们有大约60%的学生会说他们更愿意去上学而不是去度假。事实上，今年发生了一件完全疯狂的事情，呃，在2025年春天。我们的高中生来找我们，他们说：“嘿，我们想在这个夏天让学校保持开放，因为我们想继续做我们的项目，我们有事情要做。”呃，所以他们的老师——我们称之为向导（guides）和老师——面面相觑，就像在说：“好吧，我猜我们要协调一下我们的休假时间表了。”所以如果你今年夏天去德克萨斯州的奥斯汀，你会看到，呃，一个生机勃勃的校园，孩子们都在那里。他们想和朋友们一起玩，并在白天做他们正在做的这些项目。这才是学校应该有的样子，对吧？因为当孩子们对上学感到兴奋，并且他们肚子里有一团火（充满激情）时，那么你知道，更多的可能性就诞生了。你知道，所以我们这样做。再说一次，让这一切运转的另一件事——显然，你知道，获得个性化学习真的很棒，AI 促成了很多很酷的事情，你知道，你不仅可以获取知识图谱，准确了解孩子知道什么和不知道什么，还可以将其与他们的兴趣图谱叠加。所以你可以突然让那个正在学数学的孩子结合他对时尚设计或棒球的兴趣，对吧，你可以那样做。那是他们能做的一件很棒的事。嗯，但是当你有我们的老师支持这些孩子，让他们保持高标准，并帮助他们去成就大事时，他们会变得非常兴奋。

章节 5：关于屏幕时间与“创造者”思维

📝 本节摘要：

针对外界对“屏幕成瘾”的担忧，MacKenzie Price 在本章做出了有力回应。她区分了“无脑刷屏（Doom Scrolling）”与“高参与度的一对一学习”之间的本质差异，并指出传统课堂同样充斥着低效的屏幕使用（如电子教科书）。Alpha School 的核心策略是将学生从内容的“消费者”转化为“创造者”。她分享了一个极具代表性的案例：一名原本只爱刷 TikTok 和想男生的青春期女孩，在学校引导下开发了一个青少年约会建议聊天机器人，不仅建立了正向的社群，还与斯坦福教授合作进行研究。本章最后提出了从传统的“3R”（读写算）向未来“4C”（批判性思维、沟通、创造力、协作）的教育重心转移。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: What does what about the issue of too much screen time i hear a lot of this kids are spending too much time on screen stories of addiction to technology interfering with their education given that the two hours that they are learning is mediated through technology how do you offset that and not allow that to sort of bleed into other areas of their life

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 那么关于屏幕时间过长的问题呢？我经常听到这种说法，孩子们在屏幕上花了太多时间，有关技术成瘾干扰教育的故事。鉴于他们学习的那两个小时是通过技术作为媒介进行的，你如何抵消这一点，并防止这种情况渗透到他们生活的其他领域？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: there is a huge difference between doom scrolling Tik Tok or playing a video game and getting a onetoone learning experience where you are totally engaged at the exact right pace that your brain can handle you're not so challenged that you've shut down and you're not you're not bored because it's too easy right so getting that connection I would argue uh receiving this type of education that happens to be delivered on a computer is so much more engaging than sitting in a classroom glossy eyed looking at a teacher like this right uh just because it's there

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 在无脑刷 TikTok 或玩电子游戏，与获得一对一的学习体验之间存在巨大的差异。在后者的体验中，你完全投入，按照你大脑能够处理的确切节奏进行；你不会因为太难而死机，也不会因为太简单而感到无聊，对吧？所以我认为，接受这种恰好通过电脑传递的教育，比坐在教室里眼神呆滞地盯着老师看要吸引人得多，对吧，仅仅因为它就在那里。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: So I personally I myself with my kids I was a screen-free mom when they were young as well Um and uh you know there is a huge difference on that And the other thing that you'll see is if you look in a traditional classroom uh today kids are spending uh about the same time and actually even more once they get to middle school in school on screens Uh it's just being delivered like here's a textbook on the screen here's a worksheet to do on a screen something like that So our kids are actually spending less time looking at screens than kids in a traditional classroom and the time that they are getting this onetoone tutoring experience you know on a screen is just totally different

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我个人而言，在孩子小时候我也是个“无屏幕”妈妈。嗯，呃，你知道这上面有巨大的区别。你会看到的另一件事是，如果你看看今天的传统教室，孩子们在学校花在屏幕上的时间大约是相同的，实际上到了初中甚至更多。呃，但这只是表现为：“这是一个屏幕上的教科书”、“这是一个要在屏幕上做的练习题”之类以此类推。所以我们的孩子实际上比传统教室里的孩子花更少的时间盯着屏幕，而他们获得这种一对一辅导体验的时间——你知道，在屏幕上——是完全不同的。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Uh but the other thing that kind of brings up like such a good point around one of the other life skills we're teaching uh our young people which is um how to be a creator and a contributor as opposed to a consumer right and what we find is kids want to be creators They don't want to just be a consumer So when we have time in the afternoons for kids to kind of pursue their interests and their passions and say you know what you like playing video games how about learn to code a video game how about learn how to how to host your own you know shoutcast tournament right and do something like that Uh instead of just watching Tik Tok um how about you like create an audience on Tik Tok and deliver a message that's positive you know something like that

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，但这引出了另一个很好的观点，关于我们要教给年轻人的另一项生活技能，那就是如何成为一个创造者和贡献者，而不是消费者，对吧？我们发现孩子们想成为创造者。他们不想只是做一个消费者。所以当我们下午有时间让孩子们去追求他们的兴趣和激情时，我们会说：“你知道吗，既然你喜欢玩电子游戏，学学怎么编写电子游戏代码怎么样？学学怎么举办你自己的，你知道，解说锦标赛怎么样？”对吧，做点类似这样的事。呃，与其只是刷 TikTok，不如你在 TikTok 上建立一个受众群，传递一些积极的信息怎么样？你知道，类似那样的事情。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And so you can have examples of this In fact we have a student who at the beginning of her freshman year of high school she sat down with with one of our guides and the guide said "So what are you interested in like what do you like to do?" And she said "I don't know I'm not really sure." And I said "Well if you're just you know hanging out like what is the thing that you'd want to maybe work on you know or do as a project?" The girl kind of shook her head I don't know And she asked her another question just "So when you're at home you're not doing anything what do you do?" and she looked very honestly and she said "Uh I scroll Tik Tok and I think about boys." And you know that's a pretty typical teenage girl response I scroll Tik Tok and I think about boys

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 所以你可以看到这样的例子。事实上，我们有一个学生，在她高一刚开始的时候，她和我们要的一位向导坐在一起，向导问：“那么你对什么感兴趣？比如你喜欢做什么？”她说：“我不知道，我不太确定。”我说（指向导说）：“好吧，如果你只是，你知道，闲逛，你会想做什么事情？或者做什么项目？”那个女孩摇了摇头：“我不知道。”然后她（向导）问了她另一个问题：“那么当你在家没事做的时候，你在做什么？”她非常诚实地看着她说：“呃，我刷 TikTok，我想男生。”你知道，这是个非常典型的青春期女孩的回答：“我刷 TikTok，我想男生。”

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Well guess what that girl has now done two years later she has created a safe teen dating advice chatbot that teenagers can go to to again get vetted clear advice uh she built an audience on Tik Tok uh for this and she is out there changing the game around how teens date and I'll tell you what there are some scary statistics that's a whole different podcast uh around what a mess you know teenage dating is now and she is out there uh doing research studies with uh Stanford and University of Texas professors on how to how to improve this she's working with therapists uh to understand how do you make sure you're providing uh good healthy the advice and habits for young people to be able to do And so it's a great example of our guide helping a girl take the interest and the passion she has and turning it into something real that she is creating and contributing to

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 好吧，你猜那个女孩现在做了什么？两年后，她创建了一个安全的青少年约会建议聊天机器人，青少年可以去那里获得经过审核的、清晰的建议。呃，她为此在 TikTok 上建立了一个受众群，她正在改变青少年约会的游戏规则。我告诉你，有一些可怕的统计数据——那是完全另一个播客的话题了——关于现在的青少年约会有多么混乱。而她正在那里，呃，与斯坦福大学和德克萨斯大学的教授一起做研究，研究如何改善这种情况。她正在与治疗师合作，呃，以了解如何确保你正在为年轻人提供良好、健康的建议和习惯。所以这是一个很好的例子，我们的向导帮助一个女孩利用她的兴趣和激情，将其转化为她正在创造和贡献的真实事物。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Um and I think that's one of the things that's exciting And by the way that is something that we have to have developed as a skill for you know this next generation right the world is totally different than it was certainly when I was growing up and even probably you know when you were growing up too And it's no longer just about the three Rs of read and writing and arithmetic Now it's about what I kind of call the four C's It's critical thinking communication creativity and collaboration Those are the skills that our our people need to be awesome at and figure out how they're going to always stay like how can we stay smarter than AI and part of that is living in that gray frontier where you're kind of saying "All right let's bring the creativity into you know uh what's known in the world and go build stuff."

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，我认为那是令人兴奋的事情之一。顺便说一句，这是我们必须为下一代培养的一项技能，对吧？世界已经完全不同了，当然与我成长的时候相比，甚至可能与你成长的时候相比也是如此。现在不再仅仅是关于“3R”——阅读（Reading）、写作（Writing）和算术（Arithmetic）。现在是关于我所说的“4C”：批判性思维（Critical thinking）、沟通（Communication）、创造力（Creativity）和协作（Collaboration）。这些是我们的人才需要精通的技能，并以此弄清楚他们如何始终保持……比如我们如何保持比 AI 更聪明。这其中的一部分就是生活在那个灰色的前沿地带，在那里你会说：“好吧，让我们把创造力带入，你知道，呃，已知的世界中，去构建一些东西。”

章节 6：衡量成功：硬核数据与“毅力”测试

📝 本节摘要：

在本章中，Chris 提出了关于评估体系的关键问题：如果每天只学两小时，如何量化学习成果？MacKenzie Price 展示了令人咋舌的数据：Alpha School 毕业班的 SAT 中位数高达 1530 分（满分 1600）。但更引人入胜的是他们对“软技能”的硬核评估方式。她以“毅力（Grit）”为例，指出与其让学生读安杰拉·达克沃斯的书写读后感，不如让他们通过一场特殊的“铁人三项”：解魔方、杂耍球和跑一英里。这种“通过性测试（Test to Pass）”让学生在从“不会”到“会”的过程中通过肌肉记忆习得成长型思维。此外，她还分享了毕业生在斯坦福、范德堡等名校的优异表现，证明了自主学习能力比死记硬背更具长远价值。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: What are the outcomes that you're assessing these kids on i I I There you go They do their two hours every day They're in the top 99th percentile nationally But h how are they being graded are they graded what is it you actually care about what is all that yeah

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 你们用来评估这些孩子的成果指标是什么？我……我……你看，他们每天做两小时学业，他们在全国范围内处于第99百分位。但是，呃，他们是如何被评分的？他们有评分吗？你们真正关心的是什么？那是怎么回事？是的。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Well from an academic perspective we're really big fans of showing objective um data and transparency that shows kids really know their material So you know we do standardized testing uh and that's how we can show these kids are you know uh are performing so well learning twice as fast and that the classes are you know 99th percentile top 1% uh in the country So that's one thing Uh then you get into some of the more practical aspects like you know how do you do on the SAT you know getting into college right and you know an example of that like our you know our our median SAT score for our senior class this year was 1530 out of 1600 right it's insane how kids are doing our our high school I think our average for our um for our freshman is like 1410 so kids are learning all of this academics uh you know and doing it in such more efficient way that helps with that They're taking all the normal curriculum that that kids are taking in traditional class They're just doing it in you know far less time

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，从学术角度来看，我们非常热衷于展示客观的、呃、数据和透明度，以此证明孩子们真的掌握了材料。所以你知道，我们进行标准化测试，呃，这就是我们如何能够展示这些孩子们，你知道，呃，表现得如此出色，学习速度快两倍，而且班级处于全国第99百分位，即前1%的水平。所以那是其一。呃，然后你会涉及到一些更实际的方面，比如你知道，你在 SAT 上表现如何，你知道，为了考大学，对吧？这方面的一个例子是，比如我们，你知道，我们要毕业的高三班级今年的 SAT 中位数成绩是 1530 分（满分 1600 分）。对吧，孩子们的表现简直疯狂。我们的高中，我想我们九年级新生的平均分大概是 1410 分。所以孩子们正在学习所有这些学术内容，呃，你知道，并且以一种更高效的方式在做，这很有帮助。他们学习的是传统课堂上孩子们学习的所有正常课程，他们只是用了，你知道，少得多的时间。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Uh but the other thing that's really interesting when you think about how do you measure uh what kids are learning uh where that gets really interesting is when you think about life skills like how do you measure life skills and the answer we've come up with is uh every workshop that we have that is uh you know teaching a life skill we have what's called a test to pass uh that kids go through at the end So I'll give you an example of that Uh I think grit is a really important life skill for people to have The ability to stick to something even when it's hard the ability to you know have the discipline to keep showing up day after day to learn something

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，但是当你思考如何衡量呃孩子们学到了什么时，另一件真正有趣的事情是——当你思考生活技能时，事情变得非常有趣。比如你如何衡量生活技能？我们想出的答案是，呃，我们的每一个传授生活技能的工作坊，最后都有一个我们所谓的“通过性测试（test to pass）”，孩子们必须要通过它。所以我给你举个例子。呃，我认为毅力（grit）是人们拥有的一项非常重要的生活技能。那种即使在困难时也能坚持某件事的能力，那种，你知道，有纪律日复一日地出现去学习某件事的能力。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Well how do you teach grit well at our schools uh we don't just hand kids the book by Angela Duckworth Grit and say "Read this book and write a book report on it." Right like does that really teach grit uh instead what we do and you'll see this with for example our third and fourth graders uh they participate in a triathlon and the triathlon consists of three things They have to be able to solve a Rubik's cube They need to juggle three items for 30 seconds and they need to run a mile without stopping Okay So at the beginning of this you know workshop when we tell kids all right this is the triathlon you know you'll get kids go "No way There's no way I can solve a Rubik's cube or how am I possibly going to run a mile?" You know I'm I'm eight years old How am I going to do this and it's a perfect chance for our teachers to incorporate some growth mindset strategies like the power of yet You know you can't do this yet

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 那么你如何教授毅力呢？好吧，在我们的学校，呃，我们不只是把安杰拉·达克沃斯写的《毅力（Grit）》这本书递给孩子，然后说：“读这本书，然后写篇读书报告。”对吧，那真的能教会毅力吗？呃，相反，我们所做的是——你会看到，例如我们的三四年级学生——呃，他们参加一项“铁人三项”。这项铁人三项包含三件事：他们必须能够解开一个魔方；他们需要杂耍三个物体坚持30秒；并且他们需要不停歇地跑完一英里。好了，所以在这个工作坊开始时，你知道，当我们告诉孩子们“好了，这就是铁人三项”时，你知道你会听到孩子们说：“没门，我绝对不可能解开魔方，或者我怎么可能跑完一英里？”你知道，“我才八岁，我怎么做得到？”这正是我们的老师融入一些成长型思维策略的绝佳机会，比如“尚未（yet）”的力量。你知道，你只是“还”做不到这个。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: but it turns out if you learn that there's an algorithm to solving a Rubik's cube and you practice and practice pretty soon you're doing that And if you start by juggling scarves eventually you're juggling balls And if you incorporate atomic habits and walk a mile and then walk and run a mile and then pretty soon you're running a mile You can do that And when you can see a group of third and fourth graders who start at the starting line of a triathlon which is all right Rubik's cube boom boom boom juggle and they go run a mile and they finish that Guess what those kids have grit right that is such a great example of of of seeing that they've learned grit And it's something that we incorporate into you know kind of all of our workshops we do And uh you know and that's the other thing is when kids are able to do these cool things uh and see like wow I actually was capable of that it again it builds confidence that's based in like a reality right of of really being great

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 但事实证明，如果你了解到解魔方有一套算法，并且你练了又练，很快你就能做到了。如果你从杂耍丝巾开始，最终你就能杂耍球。如果你融入“原子习惯（atomic habits）”，先走一英里，然后走走跑跑一英里，很快你就能跑完一英里。你能做到的。当你看到一群三四年级的学生站在铁人三项的起跑线上，也就是：好了，魔方，砰砰砰搞定，杂耍，然后去跑一英里，并完成了它。你猜怎么着？那些孩子拥有了毅力。对吧，这是一个多么好的例子，可以看到他们已经学会了毅力。这是我们融入到，你知道，基本上我们所做的所有工作坊中的东西。呃，你知道，这就是另一件事：当孩子们能够做这些很酷的事情，呃，并且看到“哇，我居然能做到那个”，这再次建立了自信，一种基于现实的自信，对吧，基于真正的优秀。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: How are your kids performing when they get outside of your system what happens you send these kid I guess it's not been around that long They're going to go to university You know it might sound oh this is all well and good when it's inside of your your 3000 super AI virtual reality sandbox but what happens when they go head-to-head with other kids that have gone through different sorts of schooling

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 当你的孩子们离开你们的系统后表现如何？发生了什么？你把这些孩子送出去……我猜这学校还没成立太久。他们要去上大学。你知道，这可能听起来像是，“哦，在你们那个3000人的超级AI虚拟现实沙盒里这一切都很美好”，但当他们与那些经历了不同类型教育的孩子正面对抗时，会发生什么？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: so we're seeing uh our kids that graduate and move on to college um are crushing the college experience First of all they're getting into their first choice schools uh and uh they're doing very well there Um I will tell you this though uh I talked to you know our graduates of of Alpha School who are at universities like Stanford and Vanderbilt and Howard University and Parsons you know all kind all over the place Um and they do kind of say you know what some of these lectures from these professors are pretty boring and inefficient Um but it doesn't stop them from saying you know what I have the skill of learning how to go learn on my own and I can do this well Um and of course they're getting a lot of other you know fun experiences

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我们看到，呃，我们毕业并进入大学的孩子们，嗯，正在彻底征服大学生活。首先，他们被他们的第一志愿学校录取，呃，而且呃，他们在那里表现得非常好。嗯，不过我会告诉你这个，呃，我和我们 Alpha School 的毕业生聊过，他们在斯坦福、范德堡、霍华德大学和帕森斯设计学院等大学，你知道，遍布各地。嗯，他们确实有点说：“你知道吗，有些教授的讲座真的很无聊且低效。”嗯，但这并不妨碍他们说：“你知道吗，我有自己去学习的技能，我可以做得很好。”嗯，当然他们也获得了很多其他，你知道，有趣的体验。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: But I actually spoke to um almost all of the students that graduated a year ago who just finished their freshman year of college and uh I think there was like one out of all of them who'd gotten like a B+ in one grade you know one class Otherwise they were looking at 4.0's Uh so they're crushing it And the other thing that I think is really interesting is um my daughter is an example of this She just finished her freshman year of college at Vanderbilt And she called me up a few months into her freshman year and she said "Mom one of the things that I'm having a renewed appreciation about my educational experience is that I feel like I was really encouraged to you know go try and do the things that were interesting to me and and develop my passions And so now that I'm at college I'm continuing to engage in that."

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 但实际上，我和几乎所有一年前毕业、刚刚完成大学一年级的学生都聊过，呃，我想他们所有人中大概只有一个在一门课上拿到了B+，你知道，就一门课。除此之外，他们基本上都是4.0的绩点。呃，所以他们表现极其出色。我认为另一件真正有趣的事情是，嗯，我的女儿就是这方面的一个例子。她刚在范德堡大学读完大一。在她大一几个月后，她给我打电话说：“妈妈，我对我的教育经历有了一种全新的感激，那就是我觉得我真的被鼓励去，你知道，尝试做那些我感兴趣的事情，并发展我的激情。所以现在我在大学里，我正在继续这样做。”

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And a lot of my friends uh have sort of said like "Oh I hit the finish line like I got into the good school so now I don't have to do all that stuff because they looked at just adding to their resumes It was like what do I have to do to check the boxes to kind of get ahead and I think that's something that traditional school kind of breeds in kids especially kids like you and I who want to do well in school it's like what do you do to get the get the grade or get into the college right and um I think that's one of the things that you know is such an important um aspect of what a young person going through school should be able to figure out what is that intersection of their talents We we run our students through an eeky guy values workshop where they figure out what do they love what are they good at and what does the world need

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 而我的很多朋友呃有点像是说：“哦，我到达终点线了，比如我进了好学校，所以现在我不必做所有那些事了。”因为他们把那些看作只是为了给简历加分。那就像是，“我必须做什么来勾选那些框框以便领先？”我认为那是传统学校在孩子身上滋生的一种东西，尤其是像你和我这样想在学校表现出色的孩子，就像是“我要做什么才能拿到成绩或考进大学”，对吧？嗯，我认为那是，你知道，年轻人经历学校教育时应该能够弄清楚的一个非常重要的方面，那就是他们的天赋交汇点在哪里。我们让我们的学生参加一个“Ikigai（生存价值/日语：生き甲斐）”价值观工作坊，他们在那里弄清楚他们热爱什么，他们擅长什么，以及这个世界需要什么。

章节 7：面对质疑：精英主义、成本与选拔效应

📝 本节摘要：

面对外界对 Alpha School 的质疑，MacKenzie Price 在本章坦诚回应了三大争议点。首先，她澄清了“机器人学校”的误解，强调 AI 实则通过接管机械性教学任务，反而提升了师生之间的人际连接质量。其次，针对高昂学费（2.5万-7.5万美元）引发的精英主义批评，她透露了正在德克萨斯州尝试的低成本模式，结合教育券政策有望将学费降至每年5000美元。最后，两人深入探讨了“选拔效应”：Chris 指出，除了财富和智商遗传外，这些家长最独特的特质其实是“对经验的开放性”——敢于让孩子尝试非传统的教育路径。MacKenzie 则以幼儿园学生主动复盘“为何没达成目标”为例，证明这种教育模式培养出的“主人翁意识”远超单纯的学业成绩。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: what are the most common criticisms that people levy at what it is that you're trying to do

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 人们对你正在尝试做的事情提出的最常见的批评是什么？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: yeah I think the criticisms that we get uh usually come out early based on kind of lack of understanding of the model So for example you know you'll see people like oh you're that dystopian AI robot terminator school with no no humans And you know they think of kids standing in a or sitting in a classroom with a robot teacher at the front of the classroom and you know as soon as they take a second and understand the model it's like okay that's not at all right we have elevated the importance of the human connection in our classrooms by using technology Um so that's one thing

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 是的，我认为我们收到的批评通常是在早期基于对模式缺乏了解而产生的。例如，你知道，你会看到人们说：“哦，你们就是那个反乌托邦的、没有人类的 AI 机器人终结者学校。”你知道，他们想象孩子们站在或坐在教室里，前面是一个机器人老师。而你知道，只要他们花一秒钟了解一下这个模式，就会发现：“好吧，完全不是那样。”对吧，实际上我们通过使用技术，提升了教室中人际连接的重要性。嗯，所以这是其一。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Uh you know another criticism that certainly comes up is right now we operate as a private school and we're doing these insane workshops you know where kids are doing things like they learned an adaptability and teamwork uh exercise where they learned to sail and they ultimately sailed from Florida to the Bahamas over five days These are kids manning you know a sailboat and figuring out how to do that So we do these super cool life skills workshops Uh we also pay our teachers very well They start at six figure salaries cuz these guys deserve it Um and as a result we're expensive We are a high-end private school

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，你知道，另一个肯定会出现的批评是，目前我们作为一所私立学校运营，我们在做这些疯狂的工作坊。你知道，孩子们在做这类事情：比如他们学习适应性和团队合作的练习是学习航海，最终他们花了五天时间从佛罗里达航行到巴哈马。这可是一群孩子在驾驶帆船，弄清楚如何操作。所以我们做这些超酷的生活技能工作坊。呃，我们也给老师非常优厚的报酬。他们的起薪是六位数，因为这些人值得。嗯，结果就是我们很贵。我们是一所高端私立学校。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Um how much is how much is the cost of class

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 嗯，学费大概是多少？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: uh schools are anywhere between $25,000 and $75,000 Uh you know depending on the city and depending on kind of the model of the school uh and what it is Uh and they're operating in the private world Um so we haven't been able to break into the public system yet uh which you know I think that's another fundamental right that I that we've been raised to believe is that education should be a a free thing and you know public schools are providing it for free they're just we've got a crappy product right it's just not a good product

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，学校的费用在2.5万美元到7.5万美元之间。呃，你知道，这取决于城市，取决于学校的具体模式，呃，以及它是什么样的。呃，它们在私立领域运营。嗯，所以我们还没能打入公立系统，呃，你知道，我认为这是另一个基本权利，我们从小就被教导相信教育应该是免费的。你知道，公立学校确实免费提供教育，只是我们得到的是一个劣质产品，对吧，它真的不是一个好产品。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: do you think that your model can realistically scale to serve families outside of wealthy ones

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 你认为你的模式真的能规模化，从而服务于富裕家庭以外的群体吗？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: so here's what I would do if you allowed me to take over K through 12 public education and said you know do this um what I would do is I would implement a personalized learning program I would shift the role of teachers uh and make them more like coaches which by the way public schools already have a lot of those right and then uh when kids are getting their academics done in the morning that would earn them the ability to get out and do all the things that they love to do and usually start doing at about 4:00 in the afternoon at lunchtime So get those kids out on the football field or you know doing band or robotics or speech and debate or theater you know or arts whatever those extracurricular activities that kids spend their time on later doing they could be spending the second half of their day doing And the vast majority of public schools have those types of activities and they've already got the coaches who are working on those things So it just requires a mindset

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 那么，如果你允许我接管K-12公立教育并让我来做这件事，我会这样做：我会实施个性化学习计划；我会转变教师的角色，呃，让他们更像是教练——顺便说一句，公立学校里已经有很多这样的人了，对吧？然后，呃，当孩子们在上午完成学业后，这将为他们赢得走出去做所有他们喜欢做的事情的能力，而这些事情通常是在下午4点左右才开始做的。在午餐时间就把这些孩子带到橄榄球场上，或者你知道，去管乐队、机器人俱乐部、演讲与辩论、戏剧，你知道，或者艺术。无论孩子们通常在晚些时候花时间做的那些课外活动是什么，他们都可以把一天的下半段花在这些上面。绝大多数公立学校都有这类活动，而且他们已经有了负责这些事情的教练。所以这只需要一种思维方式的转变。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And you know you mentioned about the insane amount of cost that goes into you know public schools Um you know a lot of times people uh you know will look at what's the budget and how much is getting into a classroom They don't count administrative fees They don't count real estate fees all those things But you know you'd be actually shocked at how much money per student is really going into public school systems And I think that could be reallocated Now I'm not going to pretend it's easy to change the minds of you know millions of teachers to realize you don't have to be teaching a subject matter Instead you need to be focusing on the connection and and the motivational aspect of it And uh you know helping see that reimagination

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 而且你知道，你提到了投入公立学校的疯狂成本。嗯，你知道，很多时候人们，呃，你知道，会看预算是多少以及有多少真正进入了教室。他们不算行政费用，不算房地产费用，所有那些东西。但你知道，你实际上会对每个学生真正投入到公立学校系统中的资金数额感到震惊。我认为那笔钱可以重新分配。当然，我不会假装这很容易，要改变成千上万教师的想法，让他们意识到你不必教授具体学科内容，相反你需要专注于连接和激励方面，呃，你知道，帮助看到那种重新构想。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Um but there will be so many more models that will open up Uh in fact we're getting ready to open a model in Texas uh that'll be basically $15,000 a year of tuition And in Texas they recently passed school choice which will give families about 10 grand a year And that's going to get tuition down to $5,000 a year That becomes a much more accessible you know tuition payment And all of these kids will be able to get the same academic experience you know and still get to go out you know and and learn life skills in the afternoon

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 嗯，但这将会开启更多种模式。呃，事实上我们正准备在德克萨斯州开设一种模式，呃，学费基本上是每年1.5万美元。而在德克萨斯州，他们最近通过了“择校（School Choice）”法案，这将给家庭每年大约1万美元的补贴。这将把学费降到每年5000美元。这就变成了一个更容易负担的，你知道，学费支出。而所有这些孩子都将能够获得同样的学术体验，你知道，并且仍然能够在下午走出去，你知道，学习生活技能。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: How do you know that this isn't just given that you mentioned it's quite expensive at the moment you know prohibitively expensive for most people to get their kids into how do you know that right now what you're seeing isn't just the kids of smart parents being smart students which is getting them very high outcomes

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 鉴于你提到目前费用相当昂贵，你知道，对大多数人来说送孩子进去是负担不起的，你怎么知道你现在看到的不仅仅是因为聪明的父母生了聪明的学生，才导致了非常高的成果？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: okay There's no question that there are selection effects Um any private school has selection effects Um and so uh I think a lot of times people in in an aim for criticism might say "Well you're getting these great results but that's because you're in this private school and you know you probably got families that are different than public." Um but I'd be curious then what's the answer for why are other elite private schools not getting quite the same results right there's something there And that's when I think you look at it

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 好吧，毫无疑问存在选拔效应（selection effects）。嗯，任何私立学校都有选拔效应。嗯，所以，呃，我想很多时候人们为了批评可能会说：“好吧，你们取得了这些很好的结果，但那是因为你们是私立学校，你知道，你们的家庭可能跟公立学校的不一样。”嗯，但我很好奇，既然如此，为什么其他精英私立学校没有取得完全相同的结果呢？对吧，这其中肯定有原因。这才是你要去审视的地方。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Now there's a couple things First of all there's not that many private schools that release their data around how their kids are doing Uh in fact a lot of what they use to to judge how kids are doing are report cards which is a teacher saying "You got an A you got a B+," right and curving a test right and so it's not real data necessarily And not to bag on the way that these things are going In fact you know standardized tests in a traditional school environment have a bad reputation for a reason And it's because when a kid takes a standardized test the results of that test don't actually change anything for that child because you know they can't really go back and do anything So a school doesn't really share the detailed report on how a student does Uh because it might make the parents say "Well how are we going to fix it?" And the answer is they can't in our environment we can take all the information that comes from a standardized assessment and we can feed it back into our AI tutor to create lessons to go fill those holes

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 现在有几件事。首先，没有那么多私立学校会发布关于孩子表现的数据。呃，事实上，他们用来判断孩子表现的很多东西是成绩单，也就是老师说“你得了个A，你得了个B+”，对吧，还有按曲线评分的考试，对吧？所以那不一定是真实数据。不是要抨击这些事情的运作方式。事实上，你知道标准化测试在传统学校环境中名声不好是有原因的。那是因为当一个孩子参加标准化测试时，测试结果实际上并没有改变那个孩子的任何事情，因为你知道，他们真的无法回去做任何补救。所以学校并不会真正分享关于学生表现的详细报告。呃，因为这可能会让家长说：“好吧，我们怎么解决这个问题？”而答案是他们解决不了。在我们的环境中，我们可以获取来自标准化评估的所有信息，并将其反馈给我们的AI导师，以创建课程来填补这些漏洞。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: I think that's that's a really great point that you can levy insults and criticisms around the selection effect of privilege of access resources all the rest of the stuff You coming from a background education is correlated with wealth therefore wealthy parents are more likely to be highly educated That's an advantage All this stuff But one of the other much more hidden uh selection effects is going to be there's lots of wealthy parents out there But how many of them are going to be prepared to accept something which is a different sort of path for their kids to go down how many of those and if you are the sort of parent who has the sort of genes that you would let your child go to a school which is utilizing AI and is only teaching them for two hours a day and is getting them to sail across the Caribbean or you get to start up a $5,000 business or whatever If you're the sort of parent that's got that then you also have a pretty non-ypical uh set of genetics that you're going to pass on to your kid outside of their ability to be smart in the classroom outside of their ability to acquire resources or your ability to give them resources like that is as much of a selection effect as anything else So yeah your preparedness your openness to experience your preparedness to be innovative Um that's a that's a really interesting point One one that I hadn't thought about

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 我认为那是个非常棒的观点。你可以围绕特权、资源获取等方面的选拔效应提出侮辱和批评。你来自良好的教育背景，这与财富相关，因此富有的父母更有可能受过高等教育。那是种优势。所有这些都没错。但另一个更加隐蔽的选拔效应是：外面有很多富有的父母，但其中有多少人准备好接受让孩子走一条不同寻常的路？如果你是那种拥有某种基因的父母，你会让你的孩子去上一所利用AI、每天只教两小时书、还要让他们驾驶帆船穿越加勒比海或者创办一个5000美元生意的学校……无论是什么。如果你是那种拥有这种特质的父母，那么你也拥有相当非典型的基因组合传给你的孩子，这不仅限于他们在课堂上聪明的能耐，也不仅限于他们获取资源的能力或你给他们资源的能力。这就和其他任何因素一样，是一种巨大的选拔效应。所以是的，你的准备度、你对经验的开放性（openness to experience）、你对创新的准备度。嗯，那是个真正有趣的观点。一个我之前没想过的观点。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Yeah Yeah And I'm I'm I'm not out there trying to convince the world that you know this this has to work for everyone But what we're seeing is it is working for these these kids They are loving their experience They're learning like crazy They're they're absolutely growing And you know when we talk about love of school what that that doesn't mean that every day is Disneyland right we actually believe that providing kids with a rigorous challenging experience where they get opportunities to fail In fact we teach kids failure is fuel There are so many incredible lessons that you learn when you fail And contrast that with traditional school which is for a kid like you or I were when we were growing up who wanted to do well and be good you actually get trained to stay away from anything where you might fail Right don't take that class that you're interested in in case you were to get a bad grade uh because you're not sure if you're great at it right like go do those things And so it it will create with kids that are engaged in trying to do well in school it's like stay away from anything where you might show that you're not good

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 是的，是的。而且我并不是在试图说服世界，你知道，这必须对每个人都有效。但我们看到的是，这对这些孩子很有效。他们热爱他们的体验，他们疯狂地学习，他们绝对在成长。你知道，当我们谈论热爱学校时，那并不意味着每天都是迪士尼乐园，对吧？我们实际上相信为孩子们提供严苛的、充满挑战的体验，让他们有机会失败。事实上，我们教孩子“失败是燃料”。当你失败时，你能学到那么多不可思议的教训。与之相比，传统学校对于像你我这样成长过程中想要表现好、做乖孩子的人来说，实际上是在训练你远离任何你可能会失败的事情。对吧？别选那门你感兴趣的课，万一你拿了个差成绩怎么办？呃，因为你不确定你是否擅长它，对吧？所以它会在那些致力于在学校表现好的孩子身上造成一种现象：远离任何可能显示你不够好的事情。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Here we're like go learn from these challenges Go try something hard fail and have our teachers be able to sit down with you and figure out like okay what what what happened what went wrong what you can change i was in a classroom with a kindergarten classroom uh last fall and a little boy gets up at the end of the school day We always come together for closing shoutouts which is a time to really celebrate each other's wins uh look back on the day And in this kindergarten classroom uh this little boy had stood up and he said "Well today I only got one of my four math goals and two of my four reading goals And the reason I didn't hit more of my goals was because I was distracted and tomorrow I'm not going to sit next to Gus And you know the fact that you've got a 5-year-old who's clear on goals that he had what how did he do on those goals why did he not achieve the goals and what's he going to do differently tomorrow that shows you're taking ownership in your learning experience You know you're not just getting on the train of education and saying "Hey I'm going to sit I'm going to learn whatever it is the teacher teaches me today And if the teacher is not a good teacher that's not my fault Instead we're really helping kids kind of take ownership And that right there is a fundamental skill

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 在这里，我们是说：去从这些挑战中学习。去尝试困难的事情，失败，然后让我们的老师能和你坐下来，弄清楚：好了，发生了什么？哪里出了问题？你可以改变什么？去年秋天我在一个幼儿园教室里，一个小男孩在放学时站了起来。我们总是聚在一起做“结束致谢（closing shoutouts）”，这是一个真正庆祝彼此胜利、回顾一天的时间。在这个幼儿园教室里，呃，这个小男孩站起来说：“嗯，今天我的四个数学目标只完成了一个，四个阅读目标只完成了两个。我没能达成更多目标的原因是我分心了，明天我不会坐在 Gus 旁边了。”你知道，事实上你有一个5岁的孩子，他对自己的目标很清晰，知道自己在这些目标上做得如何，为什么没达成目标，以及明天要做什么不同的改变。这表明你在为你的学习体验承担责任（taking ownership）。你知道，你不是仅仅跳上教育的列车说：“嘿，我要坐着，无论老师今天教我什么我就学什么。如果老师不是好老师，那不是我的错。”相反，我们真的在帮助孩子们承担责任。而那本身就是一项基本技能。

章节 8：教育的未来展望与结语

📝 本节摘要：

在访谈的最后部分，MacKenzie Price 对未来教育做出了极其乐观的预测。她认为，人工智能之于教育，就像显微镜之于生物学，将在未来5年内引发巨变。她描绘了一个愿景：通过技术降低成本（如德克萨斯州的新模式），让高质量的个性化教育变得普及，甚至像电子游戏一样让人“上瘾”。此外，她介绍了 Alpha School 的全国扩展计划（15个新校区）以及独特的“漫游”功能——学生可以在不同城市的校区之间无缝衔接学业。最后，她重申了自己的使命：把时间这一最宝贵的资源还给孩子。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: What give me your prediction Peer into imagined crystal ball for a second What do you think the next 10 to 20 years to 50 years of sort of scaled education looks like cuz at the moment there's a big behemoth or a Titanic ship that you're trying that you would be trying to steer to do that Yeah Do you imagine that it's going to get to the stage where results from schools like yours and other programs that are presumably going to pop up that are similar are going to be so advantageous that it's going to be impossible to ignore Like what what's your vision for the future outside of what you do

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 给我你的预测。稍微看一下想象中的水晶球。你认为未来10到20年甚至50年，成规模的教育会是什么样子？因为目前有一个巨大的庞然大物，或者说一艘泰坦尼克号，那是你试图……你试图去掌舵改变的。是的，你是否想象会发展到这样一个阶段：像你们这样的学校以及其他可能会出现的类似项目，其结果优势如此明显，以至于让人无法忽视？比如，抛开你正在做的事情，你对未来的愿景是什么？

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: i am such an optimist Um that's why I just think a 5-year-old is really lucky because we are going to see a huge change in education in the next 5 years Uh because I think what's going to happen is uh there's going to get to be so much clarity around the fact that you know artificial intelligence and adaptive learning is so much more possible Just like when the invention of the microscope catapulted what was possible in biology artificial intelligence is that tool that is going to allow us to make learning science a hugely impactful uh science in the classroom It allows us to take all of these incredible learning science principles and truly apply them to all students not just smart students not just the students that need help all students are going to be able to get that and I think that the data is going to get there and as we go out and share this kind of new way of thinking uh it's going to be exciting

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我是一个超级乐观主义者。嗯，这就是为什么我觉得现在的5岁孩子真的很幸运，因为我们将在未来5年内看到教育发生巨大的变化。呃，因为我认为将会发生的是，呃，人们会越来越清楚地认识到，你知道，人工智能和自适应学习让一切变得如此可能。就像显微镜的发明极大地推动了生物学的可能性一样，人工智能就是那个工具，它将允许我们让“学习科学”成为课堂上一门具有巨大影响力的、呃、科学。它允许我们采用所有这些不可思议的学习科学原则，并真正将其应用于所有学生——不仅仅是聪明的学生，不仅仅是需要帮助的学生，而是所有学生都能从中受益。我认为数据会证明这一点，随着我们走出去分享这种新的思维方式，呃，这将是非常令人兴奋的。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: I also think you know the cost of AI is going to go down rapidly I believe there's going to be a world where kids are going to be able to learn amazing education through video gaming right where they're going to be as addicted to an educational game that helps them perform well as they were to Fortnite right and so it could be a good thing Uh they're going to get more chance to do life skills Um and I also think you know as I mentioned a lot of you know our schools alpha school is you know redefining what parents expect from their kids private school education

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 我还认为，你知道，AI 的成本将会迅速下降。我相信将会有一个世界，孩子们可以通过电子游戏接受惊人的教育，对吧？在那里，他们会对一款能帮助他们表现出色的教育游戏上瘾，就像他们对《堡垒之夜（Fortnite）》上瘾一样。对吧，所以这可能是一件好事。呃，他们将获得更多机会去学习生活技能。嗯，而且我还认为，你知道，正如我提到的，我们的很多学校，Alpha School，你知道正在重新定义家长对孩子私立学校教育的期望。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And what we're doing is we're giving kids back their most valuable resource which is time to go do all these fun things right and and do fun things learn skills and how about just be a kid and play and hang out with your friends and hang out with your family right and not have to deal with homework and being exhausted and trying to trying to pursue this thing and learn skills And you know the other big part of this is you know when you help kids uh use AI tools you know in the afternoon to do stuff that's the kind of thing that they're going to want to take out in the workforce So I'm very very bullish on the future and I think we're going to see you know rapid change in education that we have been waiting for for a couple hundred years I think we're going to see it in the next five years

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 而我们正在做的是把孩子们最宝贵的资源还给他们，那就是时间。去把时间花在做所有这些有趣的事情上，对吧？做有趣的事，学习技能。或者干脆做个孩子，去玩，和朋友们闲逛，和家人在一起，对吧？而不必应付家庭作业，不必精疲力竭，不必试图去追求这个那个或者学习技能。你知道，这也是其中很重要的一部分，当你帮助孩子们，呃，在下午使用 AI 工具去做事时，那正是他们将来想要带入职场的东西。所以我对未来非常、非常看好，我认为我们将看到教育发生迅速的变革，那是我们已经等待了几百年的变革。我认为我们在未来五年内就会看到它。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: So uh yeah I'm thrilled I maybe I should go try to have more kids My kids are old but uh maybe I should do it again Yeah Exactly Nothing like a 48-year-old pregnant lady would uh would be really fun right uh probably not I guess I'll have to pour more into all these other students that I'm helping uh along with grandkids So yeah it's a fun time It's an exciting time uh in education and um you know it's it's you know this is something that for me I started out as just a mom who wanted something better for my kids and now I believe that it's certainly my life's purpose and it is going to impact you know millions of kids and I think if we can serve as inspiration for other educators to see what's possible um I think this is going to spread like wildfire

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 所以，呃，是的，我很激动。我也许应该再去试着多生几个孩子。我的孩子们都大了，但呃，也许我应该再来一次。（Chris：是的，确实。）没什么比一个48岁的孕妇更……呃……更有趣了，对吧？呃，可能不会。我想我得把精力更多地倾注在我在帮助的所有这些其他学生身上，呃，还有孙辈身上。所以是的，这是一个有趣的时刻。这是教育领域一个令人兴奋的时刻。嗯，你知道，这……这……你知道，这对我来说，一开始我只是一个想为自己的孩子寻找更好出路的妈妈，而现在我相信这肯定是我的人生目标，它将会影响，你知道，数百万的孩子。而且我认为，如果我们能成为其他教育工作者的灵感，让他们看到什么是可能的，嗯，我认为这将像野火一样蔓延开来。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Heck yeah Mackenzie Price ladies and gentlemen where should people go they're going to want to check out all the stuff you've got going on

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 太棒了。女士们先生们，MacKenzie Price。人们应该去哪里关注？他们肯定想去看看你正在做的所有这些事情。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: Uh you know uh we've been getting a lot of attention uh for our schools Alpha School and we've been excited about that Future of Education on social media Uh if you go on Instagram or Facebook Facebook or YouTube uh you can go to future of education and learn more or you can go to Alpha School Uh demand's been so huge So we're opening We've actually got 15 campuses opening across the country uh all over I've been on a very fun kind of summer tour I've been everywhere from California to Florida to North Carolina to DC to Colorado You name it I've I've been there And uh you know that's the thing that's really exciting is families are getting so excited about uh you know what's possible

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 呃，你知道，呃，我们的学校 Alpha School 受到了很多关注，我们对此感到非常兴奋。社交媒体上的“Future of Education（教育的未来）”。呃，如果你去 Instagram、Facebook 或者 YouTube，呃，你可以去搜“Future of Education”了解更多，或者你可以去 Alpha School。呃，需求非常巨大。所以我们正在开设新校区。实际上我们在全国各地有15个校区即将开学，呃，遍布各地。我刚刚进行了一次非常有趣的夏季巡回之旅。我去了所有地方，从加利福尼亚到佛罗里达，到北卡罗来纳，到华盛顿特区，到科罗拉多。凡是你叫得出的地方，我……我都去了。呃，你知道真正令人兴奋的是，家庭对呃……你知道，对这种可能性的出现感到如此兴奋。

[原文] [MacKenzie Price]: And actually Chris let me tell you this This is such a cool part of this is when you can take your academic personalized learning with you because you're not beholdened to a classroom that's in a timebased system We're going to have alpha families you know that will say "Hey I live in Austin but I want to go spend a month in New York City." And they can plug into the Alpha in New York and they don't miss a beat on their personalized learning And then they get to go plug into the afternoon workshops Um it's it's something that I think is just so exciting for uh you know students to kind of be able to have that like you know national almost exchange experience

[译文] [MacKenzie Price]: 实际上，Chris，让我告诉你这个。这是这其中非常酷的一部分：你可以随身携带你的学术个性化学习，因为你不受制于基于时间的系统中的特定教室。我们将会有 Alpha 家庭，你知道，他们会说：“嘿，我住在奥斯汀，但我想去纽约市待一个月。”他们可以直接接入（plug into）纽约的 Alpha 校区，而在个性化学习上不会落下任何进度。然后他们还可以去接入下午的工作坊。嗯，这……这真的非常令人兴奋，对于呃，你知道，学生们来说，能够拥有那种，你知道，几乎是全国性的交换体验。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Heck yeah McKenzie I appreciate you Thank you Thank you for having me Congratulations You made it to the end of the episode And if you want more well why don't you press right here come on

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 太棒了。MacKenzie，我很欣赏你。谢谢你。（MacKenzie：谢谢你邀请我。）恭喜你，你坚持到了本期节目的最后。如果你还想要更多，好吧，为什么不点击这里呢？来吧。